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Let’s Run to the Battle

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By Don Green

I came of age in the Reagan years. His 1980 campaign slogan was “Let’s make America great again.” I loved what followed under his presidency.

Today, it seems the American people have affirmed a different path. There may well be no turning back.

In one sense, I know I’m not going to like it. This cuts against every moral and political fiber in my being.
For most of you, it cuts you, too. We’re in it together.

So I’ve read with varying degrees of sympathy the Christian and conservative reaction. Sad, frightened, angry, resigned, combative, sometimes with rays of hope shining through.

A dark path probably lies ahead. An uncomfortable path.

I get it.

But let’s face it. It’s useless to long for days gone by or days that will never be. It’s not from wisdom that we hide from reality.

So what can we do?

Christian, join my optimism as we look to the future together.

Say what?

You heard me. Optimism.

The difficult days ahead (that may well include persecution) cannot possibly be the end of us. Our God and Father hasn’t stopped blessing us.

To the contrary.

Remember the providence of our God. Remember the presence of our risen Christ. Remember the provision of our indwelling Holy Spirit.

The great Triune God has not only ordained these times in history.

He has ordained *us*, individually and collectively, for precisely such a time as this.

Christ will build His church in the days to come–not through noble saints of old–but through us.

God hasn’t given us the 1980’s. He’s given us the 2010’s and beyond.

This is our appointed hour.

So no more longing looks to days gone by.

No more complaining, defeated, anxious looks to days ahead.

It’s different from what we might have chosen, but nevertheless our time from our gracious Master has arrived.

What do we do?

Take up the armor of God.

And then?

Let’s run to the battle.

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  • http://www.missiontoisrael.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    This is our time, PROVIDED we don’t squander it. But before we can safeguard against that, we’ve got make sure we’ve correctly identified what’s put us on the precipice upon which America now teeters. Very few have. In fact, most don’t want to hear what it is that put us here and are more than happy to “stone” the messenger. Well here its, like it or not: The genesis of America’s problems is the humanistic (per the Preamble), antichristian (per Article 6), and polytheistic (per Amendment 1) U.S. Constitution.

    No one can argue that the framers failed to expressly establish the Constitution on Yahweh’s standards as found in His moral law. That alone doomed America to fall from His grace (see Deuteronomy 28). But, it’s worse. When actually tested by Yahweh’s immutable moral standard (His commandments, statutes, and judgments), there is hardly an article or amendment that, in some fashion, is not antithetical, if not hostile, to Yahweh’s morality.

    This is the cutting edge issue for saving America from the chasm she’s about to fall into. For the sake of yours and my posterity, join me in exposing and repenting of what amounts to our national idol. Begin by finding out how much you really know about the Constitution as compared with Yahweh’s perfect law and altogether righteous judgments (Psalm 19:7-11). Take our Constitution Survey at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ConstitutionSurvey.html and receive a free copy of the 85-page “Primer” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.”

    • Micaiah

      Friend, the constitution is imperfect because it was written by imperfect men. In case you hadn’t noticed, the law of Moses didn’t make anyone perfect. Those guys ended up in Assyria and Babylon remember. Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world. That means that attempts to create heaven on earth are going to fail. The second greatest command, Jesus said was to love your neighbor as yourself. That was the best that He could do with what He had to work with at the time, us. When He had a better example, He provided us with a new commandment. Love each other as I have loved you. It doesn’t matter if God’s law is perfect or not. We are not perfect. That is the problem. When we demonstrate our faith in Jesus by being buried by baptism into His death, we are raised to walk in newness of life and God attributes His righteousness to us. That is all we have. Christians are subjects of the King of kings. Our loyalty is to the Kingdom of God. For Christians other governments are superfluous.

      • http://www.missiontoisrael.org/ Ted R. Weiland

        Micaiah, thanks for responding.

        It would seem that you are saying that, as Christians, we’re better off employing man’s fickle edicts than we are in applying Yahweh’s immutable morality as found His commandments, statutes, and judgment. “It doesn’t matter if Yahweh’s law is perfect or not”!?! Do you realize what you’re saying? I think it matters to Yahweh and, therefore, it should to us as well. Of course, we’re imperfect. Consequently, how much better to apply that which is perfect in all spheres of society than that which is a manifestation of our imperfection–that is, man’s fickle immorality?

        As for your statement concerning His kingdom not being of this world, please consider the following excerpted from “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/law-kingdom.php:

        “Many Christians reject these inescapable facts of Yahweh’s sovereignty, believing He has no kingdom at present or that His kingdom is limited to heaven. They lift their favorite proof text from John 18:

        ‘Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.’ (John 18:36)

        “The exact same Greek phrase ek toú kósmou, translated “not of this world,” is used several times and is explained in the preceding chapter:

        ‘I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world…. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.’ (John 17:14-18)

        “Clearly ek toú kósmou does not mean Yahweh’s kingdom exists only in heaven. Although it is certainly true that His kingdom is not of this world, this does not mean that He does not intend for it to be in this world. His statement in John 18 is better understood to mean that His kingdom is nothing like the other kingdoms in this world. As someoneonce said, ‘The only kingdom that will prevail in this world is the
        kingdom that is not of this world.'”

        • http://www.facebook.com/david.hodges.5070 David Hodges

          Micaiah, Please also note that He is not the holdup. We are the holdup. He will straighten things out when we decide to straighten out: “And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.”–2 Corinthians 10: 6. You can’t have obedience without laws to obey. Is He waiting on us to uphold the Constitution? Sharia law? I am betting that He is talking about His perfect law, according to Psalms 19: 7: “The law of the LORD is perfect.”

          • Micaiah

            I think David, that the point is that we can not “straighten out”. If righteousness is from the law, Christ died in vain. Ours is a ministry of reconciliation not revenge. Our mission is to call people reconciliation with God through faith in the blood of Christ, not to pursue political power with the intent of imposing some man’s view of God’s law on people. God is creating a people for Himself. He is doing this through the agency of the church (His kingdom on earth, His people), through the means of preaching the Gospel of Peace. We have no authority from God to attempt to impose His will by force on others. This is folly. Whose interpretation of His will should we use? The pope? John Wesley? Martin Luther? John Calvin? Billy Graham? David Koresh? Joseph Smith? Yours? Mine? Surely you can see this is folly. There is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1547673249 Norm Farnum

            Very good dialogue here…

            Let us not forget that the Law is of a spiritual nature. “For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.” Romans 7:14. I have to agree with Ted & David (because they understand what the scriptures teach in this context). If we would but pursue His Perfect Law — every day, in every sphere — even in our imperfection, we would lean on the standard that Jesus Christ our Savior established & confirmed over and again! “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” Romans 3:31. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” Matthew 5:17. “Fulfill” does NOT mean “put an end to”, but rather to affirm or establish (the Laws of Yahweh).

          • Micaiah

            Aye, if, if, if. We don’t. We never have. We won’t. That is what scripture teaches. We certainly have no business attempting to use the force of government to impose some arbitrary man’s interpretation of God’s law on our fellow men. We are citizens of the kingdom of God first and foremost. Jesus did not teach that we are to attempt to impose His will on people by force. You can not advance the kingdom of God by violence. If you are not advancing the kingdom of God, whose kingdom are you advancing?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1547673249 Norm Farnum

            You sound like a cold and defeated soul. Do you not know that there are still those walking this planet who have not bent the knee to Baal? That’s not to say mistakes won’t be made, but an error moving towards righteousness may be forgivable, rather than towards a reprobate mind! You seem to be saying that only force & violence will usher in the Kingdom of God! Is that not what we have had done by men in nearly every “kingdom of men”? It would seem to me that Ted & David are in agreement: the “Great Commission” includes the spirit of the Law, and righteous judgements are but the expression and solution to sin and our state of depravity, as defined by scripture (not by man). His yoke is light! No matter whose theocracy we are governed under — man’s (WE the PEOPLE) or Yahweh God’s — we are and must be subject to a system of law.

            “And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD (his Perfect Laws), choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served (the U.S. Constitution, our national idol or some other)… as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

            As Christians, we must learn to have a heart for His Laws. “The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.” You’re familiar with this. Let’s teach our children to live in the “Law of the LORD”…

          • Micaiah

            I don’t know what you are talking about. Your comment seems unrelated to anything I said. I am saying the exact opposite of what you are saying. The kingdom of God can NOT be advanced by force and violence. That is what government is, an attempt to monopolize the use of force in a defined geographical space. The means for advancing the kingdom has been set out by Jesus. It does not include attempting to set up an earthly kingdom of God parallel to the real spiritual kingdom of God. It does not include the pursuit of political power in order to impose some arbitrary man’s interpretation of God’s law on other people. “As defined by Scripture”? You can’t hardly get three people in the same room to agree on what Scripture says. On the most foundational level you can not Scripturally justify trying to impose your interpretation of God’s Law on people who haven’t voluntarily chosen to be God’s people. Also, you are attempting to set up intermediaries to use the force and violence of government to impose some man’s interpretation of Scripture.

            Yes, we must learn to have a heart for His Laws. This can not be imposed by the state. It is not possible. It is a change from the inside, not from the outside. As I said before, 1. It is not implementable. 2. Man can not live up to it. Else why did Jesus die? 3. It is not administrable. People who are incapable of following the law certainly are not suited to attempt to impose it on others. There is one mediator between God and man. Jesus is our King. You are the Israelites of Samuel’s day, demanding that God give you a king like the other nations. We, like they, already have a King.

          • http://www.missiontoisrael.org/ Ted R. Weiland

            “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/law-kingdom.php.

        • Micaiah

          Micaiah, thanks for responding.

          It would seem that you are saying that, as Christians, we’re better off employing man’s fickle edicts than we are in applying Yahweh’s immutable morality as found His commandments, statutes, and judgment. “It doesn’t matter if Yahweh’s law is perfect or not”!?! Do you realize what you’re saying? I think it matters to Yahweh and, therefore, it should to us as well. Of course, we’re imperfect. Consequently, how much better to apply that which is perfect in all spheres of society than that which is a manifestation of our imperfection–that is, man’s fickle immorality?
          ——-
          Not at all, what I am saying is that, as Christians, our mission, our purpose, is the Great Commission. “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” And, “From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

          You seem to have a very basic misunderstanding of the meaning of history and the purpose of the law. The meaning of history is to teach us one lesson that can be summed up in the words of the prophet Jeremiah, “O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walks to direct his steps.”

          O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

          7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

          10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

          15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

          19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

          21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

          23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

          Galatians 4:
          1 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. 4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

          8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

          12 Brothers, I entreat you, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You did me no wrong. 13 You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, 14 and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. 15 What then has become of the blessing you felt? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have gouged out your eyes and given them to me. 16 Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth? 17 They make much of you, but for no good purpose. They want to shut you out, that you may make much of them. 18 It is always good to be made much of for a good purpose, and not only when I am present with you, 19 my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of childbirth until Christ is formed in you! 20 I wish I could be present with you now and change my tone, for I am perplexed about you.

          21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written,

          “Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
          break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
          For the children of the desolate one will be more
          than those of the one who has a husband.”

          28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31 So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

          Galatians 5:
          1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

          2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

          7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you. 9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view than mine, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is. 11 But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. 12 I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!

          13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

          16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

          But you would deify the state, and seek to impose the Mosaic Law, by its use of force and violence that from which we have been freed by the Cross. And this you want to impose on people who are not even God’s people. But it is not possible, for three reasons. 1. You can not get it implemented. You could never get such a program passed. 2. We already know from history and scripture that man is not capable of keeping the law. 3. If man is not capable of keeping it, but what leap of reasoning do you suppose that he will be capable of administering it? But perhaps you will say, “Ah, but with God all things are possible”. Perhaps, but what possible motivation would led God to abandon His eternal plan to pursue yours? You have rejected the Cross and the Son who died on it. You have deified the state. You say, if only we can legislate the tudor once more Man can save Himself.

          I won’t copy it, but you should perhaps read at least the first eight chapters of Romans and Hebrews.

          You can not fix the fickleness of man, through the agency of the fickleness of man (the state). If you want to help men, you must bring them to the Cross. Men can only be fixed when they are reconciled to God, by the blood of Jesus.
          ————
          As for your statement concerning His kingdom not being of this world, please consider the following excerpted from “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/law-kingdom.php:

          “Many Christians reject these inescapable facts of Yahweh’s sovereignty, believing He has no kingdom at present or that His kingdom is limited to heaven. They lift their favorite proof text from John 18:

          ‘Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.’ (John 18:36)

          “The exact same Greek phrase ek toú kósmou, translated “not of this world,” is used several times and is explained in the preceding chapter:

          ‘I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world…. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.’ (John 17:14-18)

          “Clearly ek toú kósmou does not mean Yahweh’s kingdom exists only in heaven. Although it is certainly true that His kingdom is not of this world, this does not mean that He does not intend for it to be in this world. His statement in John 18 is better understood to mean that His kingdom is nothing like the other kingdoms in this world. As someone once said, ‘The only kingdom that will prevail in this world is the
          kingdom that is not of this world.'”
          ————
          This is a nice argument for someone who holds the position you inveigh against. But once again, you are shooting at a target that is 180 degrees from what I am saying. The church is the kingdom of God on earth. It’s duty is to propagate itself by its ministry of reconciliation (preaching the gospel of peace). This doesn’t include the pursuit of political power with the intent of imposing some man’s interpretation of the law of God on his fellows. The mission of the church is to change hearts not behavior. These are the tools of our trade: “Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. 16 In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18 praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication.

          You can not use the force of government to create moral people. The only legitimate action of government is to protect people and their property from aggression. Once it abandons that objective, it has become the aggressor and is part of the problem.

          • http://www.missiontoisrael.org/ Ted R. Weiland

            ” If you want to help men, you must bring them to the Cross. Men can only be fixed when they are reconciled to God, by the blood of Jesus.” Amen and amen! But then what do you do with them? Don’t overlook, after the gospel has been preached and once baptized into Christ we’re supposed to make them disciples of them, teaching them all things Christ taught, including the law of God (Matthew 5:17-18). lest you be considered least in the kingdom of heaven.

            Your response demonstrates that your understanding of both what I’m teaching and Yahweh’s law (not Mose’s) as it applies under the New Covenant is far off the mark. You might want to take a look at “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/law-kingdom.php.

          • Micaiah

            Yes, baptism is the beginning of a new life. Your distinction between “Yahweh’s” and Moses’ law may or may not be beyond what the text will support. Moses’ law was God’s law. It was given to him by God on Sinai. The distinction you make is not of interest to me. The difficulty I have is with the idea that it is legitimate to pursue political power in this world for the end of imposing someone’s notion of God’s law (the fact that you want to create a subset of God’s law only adds to my apprehension of your program) on men by force there by attempting to create a kingdom of God on earth which is of the earth. That is simply not the nature of the kingdom of God. If it was why didn’t Jesus’ just have His servants fight? Why didn’t He call for a legion of angels to help out? If He wanted an earthly kingdom He could have had it. Jesus’ response to political power was to eschew. His response to religiously endorsed, rationally justified and state executed homicidal violence was to allow Himself to be put to death to ask the Father to forgive them because they didn’t know what they were doing. He over came evil with good. Jesus rejected Satan’s bargin, “if you bow down and worship me, I will give you all the kingdoms of the earth”. You seem to trying to make a side deal with Satan on behalf of Jesus for an earthly kingdom. I don’t see how it will end well. “My kingdom is not of this world,” means what it says. It doesn’t mean that it is not in this world. It means that pursuing earthly power is not its end.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.hodges.5070 David Hodges

            If you are like the men who brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus, you can’t force people to obey God’s laws. This is because pressing charges brings public scrutiny upon the plaintiff. God’s law requires individuals, rather than tyrannical man-made institutions, to press charges. You can be sure that the agents (IRS, EPA, etc.) of the god “We the People” can force you to obey them. The beauty of God’s law is that it not only protects us from the blatant thugs, but it also protects us from hypocrites. Anyone who wishes to press charges must live a life beyond reproach. God’s law makes all of us better people, with a force that cannot be matched by any false god

          • Micaiah

            That point is David that we are all like them. That is why Jesus had to die for us. I begin to think you are not being serious. Did God’s law protect Jesus from the blatant thugs? Or Stephen? Or Peter? Or Paul? No one lives a life beyond reproach, and those who think they do tend to be worse than the rest. It was exactly those kinds of people who put Jesus to death. Did Jesus spend His time with people who were beyond reproach? There are none. What has been discussed on this thread, is unworkable and has no relationship to the kingdom of God as revealed in Scripture.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.hodges.5070 David Hodges

            So, how safe is it to walk the streets of Massachusetts now, compared to back when the Pilgrims lived there? God’s law was their law. But His law is not the law of America now. It’s like Isaiah said : Thing are the way they are because God’s people love it so. If His law were in effect, our society would be like that of the Pilgrims.

          • Micaiah

            Why did the Puritans leave England? Was their interpretation of God’s law superior to that of the Anglicans they sought to escape? Is the Puritan interpretation what you embrace? Is that what you suggest be adopted in your neighborhood? city? state? What then of the Baptists, Anglicans, Methodists, Pentecostals? Should they be exiled? Put in stocks? Executed?

  • Guy Macher

    The dark days ahead will bring many to Christ.

  • JosephHyde

    Don

    Exactly!

    Let’s Run To The Battle with fervent intercessory prayer, the mightiest sword of all and the only hope of this country and it’s people is Jesus Christ. It’s time that His people turned to him!

    Thanks!

    • http://www.facebook.com/david.hodges.5070 David Hodges

      How about putting some teeth behind our prayer? “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews…”–John 18: 36. “And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”–Matthew 25: 40. Combining these two verses leaves me with the impression that when we finally become as willing to fight for persecuted innocent Christians as we are willing to fight for oil, women, money, etc., He will return. Therefore I advocate “hastening the day of the Lord,” according to 2 Peter 3: 12.

  • Robert Alexander

    Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

    Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    in the word of truth, in the power of God, through the armour of the righteousness, on the right and on the left

    Pray with unceasing prayer and entreaty on every fitting occasion in the Spirit

    • Ambassador David

      I am wondering if Micah realizes that World and Earth are 2 completely different things,,,
      The Earth is The Lord’s and all that therein Is-Real, but we know who The god of The World Social and Commercial Order is.
      Jesus is not, nor are we called to be part of The Body Politic congered up out of the pit of hell in mans ImagiNations.
      It would make no sebse to say that The Word of God that Jesus was overcame The Earth,, but He did overcome The World and Death which it represents.

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