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Ghosts, Experience, and the Bible

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Lee P. from the United States writes in response to Are ghosts real? Lita Cosner’s responses are interspersed throughout.

I have some problems with the article, ‘Are ghosts real?’ For the most part I am probably wrong or confused,

Your ability to even admit the possibility is refreshing and more than we usually come across. The humility is refreshing as many are so caught up in their own assumptions they don’t even consider there might be another perspective that makes more sense biblically.

but you (and others) mentioned fallen angels and their power to roam the earth or manifest themselves in many different ways. This seems to completely contradict the passage, Jude 1:6 (maybe it is just the sixth verse of Jude as there is only one chapter). It says that the fallen angels … are in everlasting chains reserved for the judgement day. So how can they be currently in chains, but roam and manifest themselves on earth?

I would argue that to interpret the verse correctly, we need to look at the whole context.

See verses 6–7:
6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.”

Verse 6 is talking about a specific class or group of angels, who left their proper dwelling—this could refer to all angels that followed after Satan, but I think the next verse helps us to define that specific class of angels who are in eternal chains. The great sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was sexual immorality. If the two parallel each other, as I think is likely, then verse 6 is talking about angels who committed sexual sin. The only case of this recorded in the Bible is the ‘sons of God’ taking human women as their wives and fathering the Nephilim. 2 Peter 2 also parallels sinning angels in the time of the global Flood with Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin and destruction, giving weight to this argument. See our article Who were the sons of God in Genesis 6?

So a likely interpretation in my opinion is that the angels who fathered the Nephilim are in chains, so they can’t repeat their sin.

I agree that demons and followers of Satan are out there, I just disagree that fallen angels are.

Secondly, while I agree that the overwhelmingly vast majority is/are evil spirits or demons (definitely something deceitful), there are some stories that at least seem to be somewhat Christian in nature….

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  • David Cavender

    In light of what you just wrote about the fallen angles, do you believe there is demon possession today, and if so who are they if not the fallen angles?

  • al

    I remember reading at one time that Angels were not male nor female. Therefore they could not have sex. That passage in the Bible was talking about Hebrew and Gentile. Personally I don’t know for sure because I thought the other way before I read that.

    • Alice

      Jesus said the angels were not sexual. I believe the assumption than angels fathered children is not based on Scripture and is simply conjecture. When men don’t understand a verse, they ascribe to it what they feel to be reasonable based on the reason of man. God said his thoughts are not our thoughts. In our new bodies, I understand that there will be no need to procreate so there will be no marriage.

  • daledor

    The clue might be this, familiar spirits. The Nepthalem seem to be the fallen angels given bodies. Adam had dominion over all the earth, therefore he had dominion over the Nepthalem.

    After Adam and Eve fell, Satan and the Nepthalem gained dominion. They could not force man to sin (just like anyone old or new testament) because God decreed it. Man’s free will still allowed him to choose who he would serve.

    The Nepthalem giants intermixed with Adam’s race. By the time Noah came on the scene, Adam’s gene pool was almost gone, the Nepthalem genes had almost wiped out Adam’s genes. Satan and the Nepthalem thought they had stopped the plan of salvation God told Adam about after he fell and legally the earth would belong to them.

    Even though some of the Nepthalem genes were in some of Noah’s children, as has been seen in giants since (Nimrod, Goliath, etc), God found a man who He could fellowship with and who would obey Him in order to keep God’s plan going.

    The flood took the bodies of the Nepthalem. I believe that they are what we call Demon’s. As Jesus pointed out, these renegade spirit beings can possess people and can be kicked out. The Nepthalem were the children of the fallen angels and their parents may not have been on earth anymore. There was war in the Heavenlies and the Heavens can be from around us to the stratosphere to outer space to the universe to Planet Heaven itself. There could have been Star Wars and until Satan and the fallen angels and perhaps their offspring demons are totally incarcerated, there may still be Star Wars in the spiritual plane of existence.

    Satan tried to stop many prophets, Jesus, and even today to eliminate knowledge of Christ Jesus so that he can stop God’s plan to save the saints of old and new testament saints and take full dominion of the Earth again (as well as totally stop Satan and the fallen angels.) He won’t win, believe me!

  • el_loco_jp

    What a complete load of B.S. There are no such things as ghosts, spirits, angels, demons, goblins, leprechauns or souls. Wake up! There is absolutely no objective evidence for the existence of any of these things. Anything and everything spiritual is nothing more than fiction ,myths, superstition and delusion. Oh yeah, that includes god too. And don’t even try and cite that book of myths, allegories, superstitions, contradictions, vagueness and falsehoods called “the bible”. It can’t pass any valid objective test either.

    • Haas

      Any objective evidence for love, honesty, beauty, etc.? You must be living in a pretty dark world.


    Pobrecito loco! What a rude awakening when his spirit and soul step out of his body!

    Without a spirit and soul, a body cannot function. What happens at death is a separation of the spirit and soul from the body. That does NOT negate the existence of the spirit (ghost) and the soul. Those who are covered by the Blood of Jesus Christ go into the Presence of God! Those who have not accepted the Savior are further separated. The spirit roams in the earth; the soul goes to Hell. Don’t gamble. There is so much to lose if I’m not wrong.

  • Alice

    Paul said to be absent from the body was to be present with the Lord. He was speaking of a saved man. Jesus’ parable about the rich man and Lazarus says the rich man opened his eyes in hell and Lazarus was asleep in Abraham’s bosom. It seems that the soul goes to its place when it leaves the body. So, no ghosts. There are, however, demons that can manifest in different ways and it follows that they know the mind of the person they inhabited. Where these demons come from is not clear and I doubt any scholar can say with assurance which category of angel they represent. We’ll understand when we stand before God.

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