We have received a number of comments concerned about the first article listed below being 6-8 years old, so I will address this first in today’s Feed Back. The second comment deals with the meteorite impact theory and duration of the Genesis Flood. The last comment to be responded to deals with a quote and a prominent Christian’s stance on Creation. I want everyone to know that I am not attacking this person or questioning his Christian faith. The intent of the quote was to show that his views on Creation are compromised.
From: Judith H.
Hi – love your Creation Revolution website but I am rather concerned when you publish dated stories such as ”Illegal to Teach American History—in America?” posted on May 4, 2011. This case involving Stephen Williams happened 6 – 8 years ago but your report makes it sound like a current event and court case. Isn’t that rather deceptive? Such reporting makes me rather uncomfortable with the reports you bring which I DON’T know about otherwise. Do I trust them? Do I trust you? I want to but . . .
Judith, thank you for your comment and concern about this article being 6-8 years old. In no way was I trying to deceive anyone into thinking it was current. The reasons I chose this article were: 1) to bring it to people’s attention that may not have seen it originally, and 2) to go along with the feature article that day – National Socialist States of America – by guest author Jeremiah David.
It’s kind of like what has been happening on all the news networks this week with the death of Osama bin Laden. The current story involves what just took place in Pakistan, yet to support their story they continually go back and revisit 9/11 and the World Trade Center along with other Al Quaeda plots that have taken place over the past 15 years.
The changes in America are not taking place all at the same time. Over a century ago, a number of progressives began to plan how best to change America to what they wanted it to be. One of the things they realized is that they could not make an all out attack on America’s Christian values. It had to be a slow steady process to chip away our Christian foundations one piece at a time. Look at the policies of President Woodrow Wilson and you will see what I mean.
If you study a true history of American’s independence you will see a progression of instances that occurred over a period of over 30 years that led up to the Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War. The same thing holds true with what is happening in America. It’ not just what is happening today or this week, but a series of events that have been taking place over time.
And I can tell you that this is not an isolated occurrence. A few years back I spoke to a man who taught American government in a high school. When he started teaching the formation of the government at the time of the American Revolution, he had his class read and discuss the Declaration of Independence in class. The next day, he was told by the principal not to discuss God, Christianity, or the Bible in class with his students.
I hope and pray that you understand the reason for selecting that article and why it still holds some importance and relevance to us today.
From: Brad G.
How is the expression, “all the fountains of the great deep burst forth” inconsistent with a major meteor shower over a day or more (so that all the oceans around the globe were affected) creating tidal waves that covered all land and then took the balance of forty days to recede? You have already explained how the extra moisture in the air could cause the rain. This would be the first explanation of how the same amount of water in the oceans could in fact have covered the entire earth. Would this explanation conflict with Biblical truth? I do not think so.
Brad, thank you for you comment and question about the Genesis Flood and meteorite impact theory.
Unfortunately you seem to have some of the details of Flood confused. The entire duration of the Flood was a year, not 40 days as you seem to indicate.
Let’s take a look at Genesis 7:17 – 8:5 and see what it tells us about the duration of the Flood:
17The flood continued forty days on the earth. The waters increased and bore up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18The waters prevailed and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the face of the waters. 19And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. 20The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep. 21And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, livestock, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and all mankind.22Everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. 23He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ark. 24And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.
1But God remembered Noah and all the beasts and all the livestock that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind blow over the earth, and the waters subsided. 2 The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained, 3and the waters receded from the earth continually. At the end of 150 days the waters had abated, 4and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5And the waters continued to abate until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen.
Genesis 7:17 states that the Flood continued for 40 days and the waters increased. Genesis 7:24 states that the waters prevailed for 150 days. In Genesis 8:3 we see that the waters were starting to recede, but notice in Genesis 8:5 that the waters continued to recede for another 3 months.
You also seem to have the impression that it would have only taken catastrophic tidal waves to have covered all the earth. The problem with is that the waters continued to cover all the earth, including the high mountains for the entire 150 days. Monstrous tidal waves would have long receded from the mountain tops in that length of time.
Psalm 104:6-9 may help give us a clue as to what happened to all of the Flood water and the mountains:
6You covered it with the deep as with a garment;
the waters stood above the mountains.
7At your rebuke they fled;
at the sound of your thunder they took to flight.
8The mountains rose, the valleys sank down
to the place that you appointed for them.
9You set a boundary that they may not pass,
so that they might not again cover the earth.
Note that in verse 8, the mountains rose up and the valleys sank down. In verse 9 God set boundaries for the waters as they settled into their current basins.
Are you aware that most of the highest mountains that are not volcanic, have sedimentary rock layers at their peaks? It has even been reported that Mt. Everest has fossil sea shells within 300 feet of its peak. And many mountain ranges like the Himalayas and the Rocky Mountains are still rising in elevation.
As for the amount of water available to flood the earth, consider the fact that if the earth was completely flat, there is enough water in the oceans and seas to cover it to a depth of 1.8 miles, yet Genesis 7:20 states that they tallest mountains were only covered to a depth of 15 cubits. Among various sources, a cubit ranged anywhere from 12 to 22 inches. Depending on which cubit used, the tallest mountains were at least 15 to 27.5 feet below the surface of the Flood waters.
Having looked at what Scripture says, your depiction of a meteorite impact or shower causing a tidal wave that covered the mountains and then receded would not be a valid one.
As stated in the article, a meteorite impact or impacts may have been involved with the opening up of the windows of heaven, but would not be consistent with the great deep bursting forth first. They may have had a role in the Flood, but not as the initial cause. I hope this helps.
From: Bill B.
If he did feel this way at one point I’m not sure he does any longer. Like many people, thanks to the effective work of many creationists and creation ministries, that have been won over to the creation model of origins, James Dobson I think believes in the Biblical account. I remember listening to a recorded debate on evolution/creation that he aired on his radio program several years ago. His comments indicated he was on the side of special creation.
Bill, thank you for your comment and sharing what you heard Dr. James Dobson say on his broadcast.
First and foremost, I want you and others to know that I am not questioning Dr. Dobson’s Christianity or his salvation nor am I personally attacking him. My intent is to show that he holds a compromised view of Scripture.
One of the tasks I had at a former ministry I worked at was to transcribe a two day broadcast by Focus on the Family featuring Dr. James Dobson and Dr. Hugh Ross. Dobson admitted that he and Ross were close friends and that Ross had helped him with his hobby of astronomy and using his telescope to view the heavens. Unfortunately, I no longer have access to those transcripts, but I heard them so many times that I won’t long forget them.
Dr. Hugh Ross is a progressive creationist. He believes and accepts stellar evolution and geologic evolution, including the evolutionary concept of billions of years. As for biology and the creation of life, Ross believes that God created a number of plants and animals and over millions of years most of them went extinct, so God created another group and plants and animals and they also went extinct after millions of years, and so on. He believes that there was a race of soulless creatures that appeared humanlike. These soulless creatures buried their dead, painted on cave walls and made musical instruments. Then around 25,000 – 50,000 years ago, God created Adam and Eve with souls.
Ross also states that nature is the 67th book of the Bible and should be treated as equals with the other 66 books. The problem with this is that the natural world that we see has been suffering from 6000 years of the Curse. Yes we can learn a lot about God by studying nature and the world around us, but to equate it to divine Scripture is another thing.
Lastly, Ross teaches that death is good and therefore not a problem when Genesis 3 teaches that Adam was to die for his sin. This raises a serious theological problem because 1 Corinthians 15:25-26 says:
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
I give you this background on Dr. Ross to show you what kind of influence he has had on Dr. Dobson. Both men believe in a ‘special creation’ but is the special creation they believe in truly biblical?
I contacted Focus on the Family several times concerning Dr. Dobson’s stance on creation. One of the responses I received was the quote I used. Another response said that Dr. Dobson believes that we all see through a glass darkly and therefore cannot be certain of how long it took God to create or what means He used. Dobson was quoting 1 Cor. 13:12:
For now we see through a glass, darkly; …
I wrote back to them stating that since Genesis 1-11 was written as historical narrative and if Dr. Dobson is using this obscure verse to say that he cannot be sure of the Creation account given in that historical narrative, that he must be consistent and make the same claim on the historical narrative Gospel account of Jesus birth, life, teachings, death and resurrection. The reply I received to this was that Focus on the Family was not here to debate theology that their foremost concern was family relationships.
Again, I only share this because sometimes we place prominent Christians on some kind of pedestal and cling to everything they say as gospel truth. For instance, one of my favorite Christian authors is A.W. Pink. I have read many of his books and have gleaned much from them that applies to my walk with the Lord. Whenever I go into a Christian bookstore for the first time, I always go the reference section as that quickly tells me about the theology of the bookstore. On one such occasion, I saw Pink’s commentary on Genesis. I quickly picked it up and started reading, only to be disappointed that he also had been influenced by the evolutionary idea of millions of years and embraced the Gap Theory. That did not diminish the rest of his works that I had read, but it did make me realize just how fallible we all are.
When it comes to prominent Christians we must be discerning as we are all sinners. I often think about how the Apostle Paul referred to himself as a but a wretched worm. I know that I am no better than Paul or Dr. Dobson and am so grateful that I have God’s Word to turn to first before listening to the words of men. And I am even more grateful to have Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, on whose redemptive work on the Cross I place the assurance of my eternal salvation.
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Does God Exist
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