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Christian Musicians Mock Biblical Creationists

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Christian musicians Michael and Lisa Gungor, members of the Dove-award winning band Gungor, made headlines this week with their denial of the inerrancy of Scripture in Genesis. Then Michael Gungor declared in a clarifying blog post, “NO REASONABLE PERSON takes the entire Bible completely literally” (emphasis Gungor’s).

Of course, that is a misrepresentation of those of us who believe in the complete inerrancy of the Bible. When we take the Bible literally, we are reading it in what is called a natural manner—recognizing that the Psalms, for example, are poetry, that there are parables in the Bible, and so on.

Michael Gungor studied jazz guitar at Western Michigan University and the University of North Texas. His wife, Lisa, studied music at Oral Roberts University. Neither is a Bible scholar nor scientist. And yet, they are writing as though they know more than people who have spent their lives studying the inerrancy of Scripture and who—in many cases—have come to different conclusions.

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  • BohdanUke1

    Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.

    • Mys77

      If you have nothing good to say or contribute, then close your mouth.

      • BohdanUke1

        You think you contributed by replying to me? It’s a known fact that one in three people are stupid. Look to your left… now to your right… guess what?

        • Mys77

          Yeah I am looking at you, that makes you the stupid one, thanks for clearing that up. Now take some soap and use it on that mouth of yours, no reason to be vulgar, and ghetto with your comments. That was the point.

          • BohdanUke1

            Guess your name: ____________________.

          • phil62

            Guess you really are one: it takes one to know one and according to your range of intelligence you obviously are stupid. Maybe you will grow up before its too late.

          • BohdanUke1

            Aw Phil, did you eat that many paint chips as a kid? Phil, about that “62″ after your name… did you add that to remember your age or IQ? Now don’t think too long, Phil. If it’s too tough, just guess… See? that wasn’t so hard.

          • phil62

            As far as the number by my name: actually I am 66 and undoubtedly have more common sense in one finger than a CHILD like you has in his whole miserable body. As far as my IQ: I have a Master’s degree in Education and graduated with honors at a large university. I taught little children like yourself and I failed them for being stupid too. You are out there in the twilight zone where no one can see you or touch you so you are safe in opening your useless mouth but face to face you are nothing more than the run-of-the-mill, wet behind the ears PUNK. End of discussion I refuse to waste my intelligence on a toad.

          • BohdanUke1

            Master’s Degree? Honors? Maybe you got that at Burger King University.
            Do you hear yourself? The venom you spew comes out of mental midgets who always have a chip on their shoulder.

            You’re a really sick puppy. Get some help.

          • phil62

            You talk with such brevity when you are on a computer where you never have to interact with a person face-to-face. You are like a few million other childish people out there in space. You are one screwed up POS. Don’t bother replying because I will not comeback at you; I will not even read a response – TWIT!!!!!

          • BohdanUke1

            Duh. Get some mental health help. Ya got your osamaobama free cell phones, computers and other free stuff… i understand that “pea brains’ are his specialty. Fix you right up!

            You’re a riot, Big Phil…

          • phil62

            Hey A**hole – I’m not a leach on the a** of society. I don’t get a damned thing from your boyfriend Obama. I feel the same way about him that I do you – brain dead liberal fools. I am not a Dumbocrat fool. But I will tell you this: if you write one more derogatory remark to me in any way I will report you and you CAN be locked out of discussions on this site. I am not a bloodsucking twit like you. I have worked my entire life along with 23 years of military and I would never take a damned thing that Obama and his minions have to offer. But one thing is sure: If you were half the man you pretend to be then meet me face to face so I can convince how much of a fool you are. My name is Phillip Lake and I live in Brandon, MS. Even somebody as stupid as you should be able to easily find me. So instead of you sitting in your mommies house and playing big mouth come on and show me how mean and smart you think you are. DO NOT reply in this room again because I will see to it that you are ousted – TRY ME! PS: that picture with your pretty bow tie and haircut makes you look like a mommies little titty baby.

          • Mys77

            I know my name….but I am sure many people have many names they have called you, haven’t they. All I can say about how they feel about you…..ditto.

          • BohdanUke1

            Now we get to the real tough question: Who died in Grant’s tomb?____________________

          • southernmom169

            How old are you people?!! Because all of the name calling makes you seem very juvenile. How about acting like adults. Thanks!

          • BohdanUke1

            Oh, just lighten up, Mom! Are you so set in your ways that you can’t enjoy some light-hearted fun… or tell the difference? That’s just like our society today; everything is taken so damn personal. Either taken as “racial” or “you hurt my feelings’… duh.
            See how much “luuvv” you get from the bank if you’re late, or miss a payment.
            What happened to responsibility and integrity? Let’s just hold each other and do kumbaya. Oh, don’t forget to sing, too. That’s the ticket.

            I’m sorry you bought into this crap.

          • Mys77

            Were you born an idiot, or do you have to work at it everyday? CA retard, typical.

          • BohdanUke1

            You spelled retard wrong… it’s “Mys77″; also idiot… it’s still “Mys77. See? (I’m from New York, but I do hate Californicatio…)

          • far2right

            Nobody.

          • BohdanUke1

            Right on. Believe some of these folks?

  • joespenthouse

    There were 12 apostles who neither had degrees or went to school, yet their writings have sold more books then any other book in the world.

    • edwinrad

      The writers of the Bible were simply ink pens in the hand of Almighty God who is the Author(2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:20,21).

      • philote

        A bit oversimplified, edwin.
        But yes it is GOD’s WORD written by men as GOD inspired them to write.

  • CrossHugger

    I guess I am pretty unreasonable when it comes to Gods Word. I believe it beyond a doubt.

  • [email protected]

    Eliminating portions of the Bible that interfere with your world view doesn’t mean those portions aren’t true.

    I once thought portions of the Bible were irrelevant until I studied the Bible more.

  • gladdrial

    They aren’t even dry behind their ears yet and we will see how they feel about the Bible
    in a few years, if still around. Things are coming in this Country that are going
    to shake those who don’t believe to their very core.

  • Tea time!

    We perform one of their songs on our church worship team. Might just scratch that song from our playlist.

    • ShepherdsLamb

      I would definitely do that.

  • Kenneth Kirkham

    Calling themselves a Christian group is the first mistake.

  • Curtis Patton

    They have lived on this earth such a short time but already they know more than the rocket scientist that helped us get to the moon (Von Braun) and the greatest human scientist, except the one who wrote Genesis, Sir Isaac Newton. They can prove how dumb they are in just a sentence or two.

  • Stephen Geiger

    If they do not take the bible seriously and read it as it is written, then they cannot call themselves Christian, simple as that. The bible tells us when a passage is not to be taken literally. One gets themselves in trouble when they error on the side of alegorizing the bible where it is not meant to be. You tend to stay out of trouble when you take the bible more literally.

  • Zoe2010

    Proverbs 3:5 says to trust in the Lord w/your whole heart and not lean on your own understanding… so we shouldn’t pick and choose what we want to believe…

  • Jorg37

    The only aspect of the Bible that is “believable”, is the obvious fact that it is a human fabrication from beginning to end.
    Just made-up stories, collected in a book that has done more damage than any other, including the inspiration to cook up Islam.

    • Zoe2010

      why do you bother to comment here when you don’t believe the Bible? do you really think we will believe you?

      • Jorg37

        Probably not! But I think it is necessary to show that a steadily increasing number of people come to realize that religion in general, Christianity very much included, is the cruelest hoax ever perpetrated on the human race. With better education and higher intelligence, religion tends to lose power over people. In that sense, Western Europe is way ahead of us in the US, where too many people still cling to such nonsense.

        • Zoe2010

          well, that’s the beauty of this country you are free to move to western Europe anytime…

          • Jorg37

            Move, rather than doing my share to enlighten people around here? Don’t forget, even the most devote believers become more enlightened over time. For example, few people still believe in a flat earth, no matter how much religion has blinded them. Educated people by and large don’t believe any longer in myths like virgin birth, Noah’s Ark, Adam & Eve, ghosts and angels and other laughable stories. With Islam it is even worse, believe it or not (no pun intended)

          • Zoe2010

            that’s nice…

          • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

            If your hope is to “enlighten” people, then you will have to provide something other than your opinion that the Bible is a “fabrication”. I notice you did not provide a single shred of evidence to support your opinion. Not very convincing in my estimation.

          • Jorg37

            The Bible’s own complete lack of evidence speaks for itself! Nothing in the Bible has been found true, – one after another the stories have been found to be fake, or contrary to evidence. Do you still believe the earth is flat, or that “god” created it all in a few days? Like well known fairy tales, the Bible stories don’t need to be “proven” wrong. The impossibility is enough if you allow yourself to think! Religious Americans need to grow up and not hang on to age old superstition.

          • edwinrad

            It’s obvious you don’t know anything about the Bible or you would know the Bible says the earth is not flat(Isaiah 40:22).
            You state your opinion as if it were fact but NO evidence.

          • Jorg37

            You better read the Bible yourself, – with a more open mind, that is!

          • edwinrad

            I’ve been saved since 1974. I trust the indwelt Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth(John 16:13) as the word of God is spiritually discerned(1Cor. 2:14).
            Open mind? Believers have the mind of Christ(1Cor. 2:16) in Whom is hid all knowledge and wisdom(Colossians 2:3).

          • Jorg37

            Oh, brother, – even more nonsense to prove my point! Thanks for your unintended support!

          • edwinrad

            Atheists are all the same, they post empty statements because they can’t prove what they don’t believe.
            I’m not here to try to get anyone believe anything. I leave that up to God as I’m just His ambassador.
            You have the free will to believe or not believe whatever you want, but I assure you there are consequences.

          • Jorg37

            Well, we have seen the consequences of religion, like wars and all kinds of trouble, haven’t we? “Divine” consequences of Atheism? Only in the confused minds of believers!

          • edwinrad

            Don’t confuse religion with Christianity. Those in the crusades etc. were NOT Christians. They were mere religionists.
            Religion says…DO. Christianity says…DONE by the grace of God.
            What and how has atheism helped anyone. There are testimonials of Christians as they approached death. They did so with a peace that passes understanding. Then there’s atheists like Bertrand Russell who went out SCREAMING. He got a glimpse what waited him.

          • ShepherdsLamb

            If you wanted to educated yourself, you could. I don’t know whether you actually believe the nonsense you are babbling or whether you are trying to convince yourself. Whistling past the graveyard perhaps.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            Atheists are afraid of the truth. That is why you fight so hard against God, the Bible and those who trust Him. You are terrified of God and His judgment, otherwise you’d merely shake your head and laugh. But you don’t laugh. Deep inside you know He is real. If you don’t, then you might have already crossed the line. (Romans 1:28 KJV) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
            If you have crossed that line, then you are utterly doomed and to be pitied. We don’t hate you. Christians were as lost and as undone as your are right now. We do understand. The sad thing is, if you have gone beyond the line God set in the sand, unlike the quivering one Obama alluded to, you can never, ever be saved, and will be doomed to everlasting fire. This happens because the unbeliever calls the Holy Spirit a liar, by saying the gift of God, Jesus dying for you sins, was useless. There can never be forgiveness for that.
            And you think you are smart? Wow, what a loss.

          • Jorg37

            What do you mean, – afraid of something we know doesn’t exist, just a product of human imagination? I don’t think you religious people understand that we atheists are completely comfortable with our non-belief. We do not believe there is a “god”, a heaven or hell. Pure nonsense cooked up by people who tried to find explanations for things they didn’t understand, – but later replaced by scientific discoveries.

          • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

            “I don’t think you religious people understand that we atheists are
            completely comfortable with our non-belief. We do not believe there is a
            “god”, a heaven or hell. Pure nonsense cooked up by people who tried to
            find explanations for things they didn’t understand, – but later
            replaced by scientific discoveries.”

            OK, Mr. Science, what is your secular explanation for the existence of the universe? Before you answer, remember that your explanation must not violate known Laws of science, such as the Laws of Matter and Energy.

          • Jorg37

            I don’t know, and neither do you! The Bible certainly doesn’t give any insight, so let’s just leave it to science, which keeps explaining what the Bible never did. I don’t know if you have noticed, but science explains more and more, the Bible less and less.

          • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

            Ah, but I DO know. The Bible tells us very plainly that God spoke the universe into existence. Any secular explanations, such as an eternal universe or a universe creating itself, run afoul of not only the Laws of Matter and Energy, but also common sense. Nothing has ever been observed that created itself from nothing, and such a thing would be utterly illogical. It is far more logical to believe that someone created everything rather than believing that no one created everything. Creation is far more scientifically plausible than any secular theories of origins, so your appeal to science to explain everything lands clearly in the camp of Creation.

            I don’t know if YOU have ever noticed, but the Bible has never been proven wrong on any matters of science, not to mention archaeology or history. I’ll gladly trust the Bible over any man-made secular theories. The Bible has stood the test of time over the centuries.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            You are a foolish little man. You speak of facts but show none. You call all things nonsense, when really, you have no understanding about anything. Atheists are out and out fools. They try to make everyone as empty and useless as they. You speak of scientific discoveries yet you did not challenge Newton or Kelvin. You hide behind ignorance and expect others to be every bit as ignorant as you.
            The day will come when that last breath you are about to take approaches, and you will be scared out of your mind. There was an outspoken atheist on the gulf coast of Mississippi, who died about 15 years ago. He had been writing the editor of the local newspaper for years, telling us Christians how ignorant and foolish we all were to believe in a God. That was until he was placed in the hospital and told he had a short time left. Amazingly, he called the editor of that paper and the local TV station. A few reporters gathered around his bed. Then this atheist said, “That he now believes that Jesus Christ was Lord, and had asked Jesus to forgive him of his sins and then accepted Him as Savior.” He went on to say that the King James Bible was the word of God.
            So you see, we do understand atheists. Atheists are people with great fear. Your greatest fear is if there is a God. Oh, you deny Him and spout science and facts, none of which you brought into the light.
            The day will come, tho it will be too late to do you any good if you stand where you do now, that you will bend your knees in front of Jesus Christ, who happens to be Almighty God, and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Satan and all of the devils you deny exist, will be on their knees too, doing the very same thing.
            You’ll spend eternity thinking of all those foolish Christians who tried to warn you about the place you said didn’t exist. You to an eternity without God because you rejected Him, as a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit for calling Him a liar by rejecting the free Salvation offered through Jesus, while the Christians spend an eternity in Heaven, young and healthy forevermore. And since God has wiped away all of our tears, none will remember those who traded paradise for a Lake of Fire.

          • far2right

            The faith of atheists is infinitely more blind than biblical faith. INFINITELY!
            Your problem is that you are so comfortable in your own ignorance that you can’t see that fact.
            Personally my assessment is that you are actually stupid.
            Of the kind that is not fixable.

          • Jorg37

            And why should I support something as immoral as the Bible? The only worse and even more immoral collection of made-up stories would be The Koran! Virgins as reward for mass murder of innocent people? Yeah, some religion, I’d say. The problem was that Islam was invented because of Christianity, which again was invented based on Judaism, which was a result of the monotheistic idea. Also, you have to understand, that all believers are atheists when it comes to all the other gods cooked up by humans. We atheists are just one god ahead of you, – which more and more people begin to understand. Non-believers are gaining as a group, which is very fortunate for the world at large, – and the future of mankind.

          • SonnyMagoo

            Wars are because haves and have nots. Wake up.
            Its hard to get some one to die for someone’s money.
            Stirring relgious ideologys solves this problem.

          • Suzie

            “Religions” don’t declare war. Sinful man does in the name of their
            “religion” . He always has, and he always will. Saying that is about as
            fair as saying atheists killed 110 million through atheistic communism. The problem isn’t atheism or religion. It’s sinful men.

          • Jorg37

            I kind of agree with you, Suzie, that it is often bad people who start wars, including dictators like Roman Catholic Hitler, and religiously trained Stalin on his own people, using religion for their own evil pursuits. The latter adopted Communism as his own religion, with himself as “god”. But what about the 30-year war between Protestants and Catholics in the 17th century, and the same in Ireland, not to mention what has been going on in the Middle-East for centuries? What’s the basis for today’s atrocities in Iraq and neighboring countries, where the arguments for slaughtering each other boils down to slightly different versions of the Islamic hoax, – another unfortunate human invention?

          • Suzie

            If you believe in evolution, then there are no “bad” people….then war really isn’t “wrong”….it’s just a matter of survival of the fittest.

            If it serves the best interest of society and the individual, then kill. In other words, whatever works best is right. Society experiments with ethical behavior to determine which set of rules works best for it. Hopefully, these experiments lead to better and better moral behavior. But, as we see by looking into society, this isn’t the case: crime is on the rise. Since the great majority of atheists are evolutionists, their morality, like evolution, is the product of purely natural and random processes that become self-serving.

            Basically, the atheist cannot claim any moral absolutes at all. To an atheist, ethics must be variable and evolving. This could be good or bad, but with human nature being what it is, I’ll opt for the moral absolutes– based on God’s word — and not on the subjective and changing morals that atheism offers.

            Your right about Hitler being a Roman Catholic and not a Christian…..he hated Biblical Christianity and called it a “disease”.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            Your point is only proved to yourself. The day will come when you will wish you knew God. It’s hot down there.

          • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

            He apparently believes that anything and everything someone says is “proof” that he is right. But he offers no proof, only opinions.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            @keyboardshark I’ve seen his type before. No proof you present him would he examine. No proof he gave would be provable.

            I do not understand the things of God. His ways are not our ways, but I long for the day we all have the mind of Christ. I believe the end is nigher than we thought.

          • KentPerry

            What point? You haven’t had a point and all your assertions can not be substantiate,,ya jug-head

          • Daniel Hamilton

            You’ve never read the Bible with an open mind. You throw intellectual excrement, and you cannot back your statements with facts. The reason you cannot understand it, is because, 1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

            That means, you and those like you, who reject God, are natural men. Those things that are from God, you and your buddies cannot understand.

            Your mind and heart are closed to God, and you want us to accept your word over Gods, because you fling that stuff about.

          • KentPerry

            Quote:”Nothing in the Bible has been found true”

            Nothing at all?? Not one thing?
            HA HA HA not one thing YOU have said is true

          • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

            Lack of evidence? You can’t be serious. The accuracy of prophecy alone is enough to seal the deal. The Bible contains about 2000 prophecies which have already been fulfilled, some in very great detail:

            http://www.bibleevidences.com/prophecy.htm

            http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

            As if that was not enough, here are some other resources that verify the accuracy of the Bible through archaeology, internal written evidence, external written evidence, and contributions of Bible believers to science and society as a whole.

            http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

            http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html

            https://bible.org/seriespage/bible-holy-canon-scripture

            http://carm.org/non-biblical-accounts-new-testament-events-and-or-people

            In fact, virtually every branch of modern science was founded by Bible-believing scientists:

            http://www.creationstudies.org/Education/scientist_believers.html

            Now, where is YOUR evidence?

          • Jorg37

            Oh my goodness! How gullible do you have to be to swallow such nonsense? Your references prove my points over and over again!

          • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

            I offer you verifiable evidence, and you offer me your sour grapes opinion that you don’t like it? I’ve got a feeling that your mission to “enlighten” others that the Bible is false is going to face a real hard sell. Show me how my “references prove (your) points over and over again”. That statement is patently absurd on the face of it.

            And I’ll ask the question: How gullible do YOU have to be to swallow the nonsense that “the stories (of the Bible) have been found to be fake, or contrary to evidence” and that the Biblical account is “impossible”, and all the other anti-Bible Koolaid you’ve been drinking? Since you offered no evidence, any objective observer would conclude that you believe such nonsense by faith because you WANT to, not because the evidence supports your opinion.

          • Jorg37

            A book that offers stories like Noah’s Ark, Adam&Eve, virgin birth, talking bushes and parting of the sea doesn’t need to be disproved. It does it simply by its own ridiculous content of impossible events, – quite obviously cooked up by creative story tellers. Also, keep in mind, there is absolutely no evidence of a historical Jesus, – not a single independent verification from that period. And a “god” so vengeful that he slaughters entire populations? Give me a break! The Bible stories were cooked up hundreds of years after the alleged “events”!

          • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

            You keep babbling about why you think the Bible is not true, but you still have not offered a single shred of evidence as to why we should believe your opinions. I have offered you links to extensive resources, but you have apparently ignored them since you have not discussed why you think it’s wrong. Your opinions are worthless without evidence to back them up.

            “Also, keep in mind, there is absolutely no evidence of a historical
            Jesus, – not a single independent verification from that period.

            That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard so far, and you’d see why if you actually read the following:

            http://carm.org/non-biblical-accounts-new-testament-events-and-or-people

            http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html

            http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html

            http://www.doxa.ws/Jesus_pages/Nazareth1.html

          • Daniel Hamilton

            There you go ape boy, flinging your intellectual excrement at those who won’t swallow your delusions.

          • Jorg37

            Oh, what a nice, Christian way to expose your lack of understanding when it comes to evolution! Descending from apes, – yeah, right …

          • Daniel Hamilton

            But you do believe that man came from the apes. All evolutionists teach that. They’re still looking for that missing link.
            I’m merely showing you the same courtesy you have shown us. I enjoy debates, so bring it on.

          • Jorg37

            Not at all! You have misunderstood. Evolution shows that all apes and humans have a common ancestor, – way back in evolutionary history, before splitting into independant development. If you go further back, more and more species turn out to have common ancestors. I know that uninformed religious people often like to ask why monkeys don’t turn into humans. It can hardly be sillier than that, – perhaps except believing that it all started with the Adam & Eve story!

          • Daniel Hamilton

            Spare me YOUR fairy tales. We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. Case closed. yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; Romans 3:4

          • KentPerry

            If that is so knowitall THEN PROVE IT ! PROVE THEY ARE NON SENSE

          • edwinrad

            AMEN!! Science, created and revealed by God(Colossians 1:16) is bringing out heaps of evidence in these last times.

          • philote

            History stands as the proof of Biblical prophecy.

            God issues this challenge to all who think they know better than He:

            “Present your case,” says the Lord. “Set forth your arguments,” says Israel’s King. “Tell us, you idols, what is going to happen. Tell us what the former things were, so that we may consider them and know their final outcome. Or declare to us the things to come, tell us what the future holds, so we may know that you are gods. Do something, whether good or bad, so that we will be dismayed and filled with fear. But you are less than nothing and your works are utterly worthless; whoever chooses you is detestable.”

            While History proves out the prophetic statements of the creator God of the Bible, the challenge has never been met by any other – “god” or man. Only the God who knows the end from the beginning, and who tells what is not yet as if it already were is the true God.

            Far from being able to be proven wrong, the Bible has much that proves it right.

          • ShepherdsLamb

            Not a single thing you said is truth. You have no clue what you are talking about.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            Superstition? You who thinks he descended from a monkey, with zero proof at all. thinks those who trust in God are superstitious. Did you bother to mention that the Scopes trial, that brought evolution to American schools, was all based on a single tooth? Nope, you didn’t mention that trial. Tell them how those brilliant scientist built up a model of what this early man looked like, all from a single tooth. But wait, later it was discovered the tooth belonged to an extinct horse, it memory serves me. Nebraska man’s fossil was proved to be from an extinct pig.
            Then let’s look at your imaginary belief that the Bible teaches a flat earth: Isa_40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

            The circle of the earth indicates a globe.

          • Guest

            Your response is as misguided as the fundamentalists that want to take portions of the scientific and historic narrative that are inaccurate and paint all the rest of the scripture with the same brush. The Bible “is” the revealed word in a multitude of its content that has to do with the miraculous phenomena of the evolution of man’s spiritual and material growth inspired by the unique, inherent character of worship and prayer and mans relationship to God. You don’t toss out the baby with the bathwater. In fact the majority of the Bible is the fact based philosophical affirmation of God, faith and spirituality by men separated by status, geography and centuries of time, all coming to the same conclusion so eloquently defined by the Incarnation and Revelation of the Son of God.

          • twenzler

            The Bible never made claim that the Earth is flat. “as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.” East and west never meet because the Earth is round. If you go north you reach a point where you can no longer go north, every step will be south. You can never go west and reach a stopping point. Also, all stories in the Bible do run together, they all point to Christ.

          • ShepherdsLamb

            Just the opposite. Almost every time someone has set out to disprove the Bible, they have wound up becoming the most ardent Believers.
            No one would have ever believed the earth was flat if they had been reading the Bible like they should be, since it clearly states the earth is a circle. And there would have been no dark ages.
            I’m afraid that you are the one who is following the ridiculous and foolish path of secularism. Try educating yourself on the truths of the things you are mocking and the evidence that is actually out there, instead of coming in here and making a fool of yourself.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            Your ignorance of the Bible, Christianity and the God whom we worship is truly astonding. Lord Kelvin was a devout Christian. Ever hear of the Kelvin scale? He discovered the earth was young because of heat loss. You know, the laws of thermodynamics? Then there was Sir Isaac Newton who enlightened the world about the nature of gravity. I haven’t seen
            your name anywhere, but here.
            False religion, like no religion, does blind the so-called intellectual. These two men had far more education than you, yet they believed in the God of the Bible. The so-called myth of the virgin birth, is only a myth to intellectuals. I cannot prove the virgin birth to you. That belief comes through faith. Faith is believing the account of something unprovable, just
            like the ‘theory’ of evolution. The fact that Jesus is a real, historical man who was born on the time given, lived a sinless life then was killed. Ask a Jew if Jesus was a real man, and most likely they will answer, I was told He was a good man and a prophet, but not the Messiah. They rejected Him, like the Scriptures had forewarned.
            As far as your flat earth theory goes, that was never a Biblical teaching. Isa_40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Imagine that, the circle of the earth. I guess you never heard that verse.
            Then there’s that Noah’s ark business. The fossil record has anomalies that ‘educated’ people love to overlook. Certain species are in strata that do not belong there. Never heard that one before? You won’t in books written by other ‘educated’ people like you. There is
            another article here entitled, “Oceans of Water Deep Beneath the Earth?” It is found at
            http://creationrevolution.com/oceans-water-deep-beneath-earth/
            The Bible mentions these waters deep beneath the earth. It is referred in the story of the ark. (Genesis 7:11 KJV) In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Gee, that explains all that water that covered the earth.
            I wonder about people who boast their supreme education above all who believe in God. I am proud that God made Adam in His own image. You on the otherhand, prefer to be the decendants of apes. Apes fling excrement at those they do not like, just like educated people throw about their so-called knowledge to those they deem inferior. Again I refer you to Lord Kelvin and Sir Newton. Two God fearing men who had more knowledge or wisdom than you.
            As far as spirits go, yes they are real. I saw one once at a friend’s house. It was daytime and I wasn’t there to look for any spirit. He had seen it several times before I had seen it. Was it a ghost? No, it was a spirit, but not one of a man.
            As far as knowledge and wisdom go, Psa_111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. Pro_1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Pro_9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
            And this one so aptly describes: Psa_14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

            You go ahead and trust in your monkey ancestors and keep flinging all of your intellectual excrement. I’ll believe the Bible.

        • rainbomike

          As one that has been saved by the grace of God I will wholeheartedly agree with you that religion is the cruelest hoax ever perpetrated on the human race. Religion tells you to meet all of it’s standards and to do enough good works to merit God’s favor. The truth is that our God took on human flesh and met all of God’s standards which we couldn’t and, by His life, death, and resurrection merited a righteousness that none of us could attain. That is why He went up on that cross as our perfect and sinless Substitute. In doing so He received the imputation of the sins of all who would be saved from the wrath of God through Him in order that they might receive forgiveness of those sins. When, by His grace, we are brought into God’s family through His work on our behalf we then receive the imputation of His righteousness. Religion keeps millions in bondage to their own efforts to obtain God’s favor. God has made the way, through the effort and work of Jesus alone, to reconcile wretched and hell-deserving sinners to Himself. Oh yes, I totally agree with you.

        • philote

          Not surprising. The age of “enlightenment” has actually removed the light and darkened the understanding of countless people.

          God’s word is the light that shows us how far from right (righteous) we are, and how we cannot stand on our own merit before the holy God who judges all things. Jesus was “That One was The Light of Truth, which enlightens every person that comes into the world.” (Aramaic Bible, English translation – John 1:9)

          Turn off, or block the light, and you find yourself in darkness. In the dark you can’t see things the way they are and you can imagine all sorts of false ideas. That is the cruel hoax: the imaginings of men who think they are enlightened while they ignore the light that could reveal the Truth. Apart from the Truth, there is nothing else but the false.

          Western Europe may be “well ahead” of the US, but where are they headed?

          God has warned that, when we ignore the light that He has given, we imagine what is wrong to be what is right “There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.”

          Choose the correct path, the way that leads to life and not death. Recognize that we have all gone astray, each turned to his own way, and that “way” is rebellion against God which separates us from Him. Then receive by His grace what he proffers: “the free gift of God is eternal life, through Christ Jesus”.

          We’ll be praying for you Jorg, that you’ll not continue down the “way of death” and will come to the knowledge of the Truth.

          • Jorg37

            Oh, please, don’t insult me by “praying” for me! Nothing fails like prayer, so “no thanks”. Praying has no impact outside the prayer’s head, no matter how much he/she fantasizes about the power of such nonsense.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            Then you’ve never seen prayers answered. Why should a Holy God answer any prayer you’ve ever uttered? If you were honest, you’d admit that you have prayed and didn’t get your way.

          • Jorg37

            Sorry, praying has never been my nature! And why should I appeal to someone I know doesn’t exist? That doesn’t make sense, does it? If I want something, I work for it!!! That’s what works!

          • Daniel Hamilton

            Very humanistic of you. If I wanted something I worked for it too. However, I thanked God for the ability to be able to work for it.
            Why do atheists always contend with believers? If you’re so all fired sure about it, then why waste your time? You’re not going to persuade any here. God does exist. You live on a ball set in space, spinning at just the right speed, and orbiting at just the right distance from the sun. You’re supposed to have a scientific mind, the explain the science involved in these facts. Plants need carbon-dioxide to survive. Animals supply that through respiration, while the plants convert the carbon-dioxide to oxygen which we require.
            Then we have the symbiosis between the plants and different animal life to produce fruits, vegetables and other plant life. The plants need insects and birds to pollinate, yet some are so specialized that only a certain bird or bee is able to perform such. You claim it is an accident, whereas I see design.
            Everything works together like a big machine, and you believe it all happened by accident?
            You see the things around you, and believe it all came together on its own? You have more faith in the unbelievable than I.

          • Jorg37

            So, what on flat earth does that have anything to do with the silly Bible stories???

          • Daniel Hamilton

            If you had actually read the post I supplied you with earlier, you’d understand that the Bible has never taught the earth was flat. Isaiah 40:22 KJV It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

            Call the Bible stories silly all you want. That will be your problem, not ours. I know there is a God. He is the Almighty Lord God that created everything. You are the one who will have to deal with that which you do not accept. The point is, that all are sinners. You and I were both born in sin. The difference between us, is acceptance and rejection.

            I accept the fact that there is a Righteous and Holy God. I accept the fact that I have sinned against Him. I accept the fact that I am worthy of eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire for my sin. I also accept the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ came to earth, lived a sinless life, died for my sins, and on the third day rose to everlasting glory.

            On the other hand, you reject the fact that that there is a Righteous and Holy God. You reject the fact that you have sinned against Him. You reject the fact that you are worthy of eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire for your sin. You reject the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ came to earth, lived a sinless life,
            died for your sins, and on the third day rose to everlasting glory.

            I have accepted His free gift. You have rejected His free gift. But I need to go further here, because you jest, not against me, oh no. You jest against Almighty God. You make light of Him, not of me, or any other God fearing person who has read your foolish taunts. You aren’t offending us, because it is He you taunting. It is because of His grace that He has allowed you to carry on with your twaddle. Job 12:10 KJV In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. He holds your very breath in His hand, and like a fool, you deny and taught Him, and no one else. You can laugh all you want, but the last laugh will be the Lord’s, not yours. Hopefully, you have not crossed the line that God places in the sand before every sinner that mocks Him. Galatians 6:7 KJV Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
            So rant on. The only one you are insulting is God. You may not have tomorrow. You may not have the balance of this day. What a surprise it will be to you, when you open your eyes in Hell. You think Hell is to frighten those not smart enough to know it doesn’t exist. But, yet many the soul has fallen into that fiery pit, and it isn’t near full. There’s room for all the scoffers. There’s room enough for you. But that is not the end. The day will come when you will be hauled up from Hell, to stand before the Lord Jesus, the Judge. There will be no mercy given. “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41 KJV.

          • Jorg37

            So, why don’t you leave it to your imaginary friend up high in the sky, to punish me for the sin of not swallowing nonsens? Or, perhaps you aren’t quite sure about that outcome?

          • Daniel Hamilton

            You actually believe in the fairy tale called evolution, and then deny the truth of an Almighty Righteous God? Wow, you talk about silly nonsense. I am quite sure about the outcome. It is you that has the problem with reality. Come on. You really believe you and your whole family came from some ape like missing link that no one can seem to locate. Gee, wouldn’t there be a lot of their remains laying around somewhere for someone to find? Then you honestly expect me to believe that all of the human race came from some beast that no one can find. I’m not buying that story. And you’re supposed to be an intellectual. Oh you silly man. Somebody really pulled your leg on that one.

        • ShepherdsLamb

          Western Europe is in increasing darkness. Atheism is the blight of humanity and has done more evil and caused more death and destruction than all the religions put together. It is because of Christianity that we have modern medicine, hospitals and schools, not to mention freedom.
          If you’re so brilliant, maybe you could find yourself something else to do rather than wasting time coming in here to harass Christians.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            Although atheism is growing, there is one other religion growing by leaps and bounds – Islam. You remove God from man and it creates a vacuum. That vacuum sucks in whatever trash is around. Churches throughout Europe are closing and being turned into mosques. The day is soon approaching when atheists will submit to Islam to save their skins. Islam derives from the word which means submit. You are forced to submit by the edge of a sword or the muzzle of a gun.

        • southernmom169

          Being a Christian is NOT a religion, it is a chosen lifestyle. Religions can mess people up, but do not confuse the two.
          I guess you will have to find out on that Great and Terrible Day of Judgment whether the Bible and Christianity were a ‘hoax’. It will be too late for you then.
          I pray your eyes are opened before it IS too late.

          • Jorg37

            You are right on! It is mainly fear of the unknown that keeps uninformed people religious, – just to trick themselves into feeing “safe”. That’s another reason why Atheists are more comfortable in life, – knowing that all this scare nonsense is made up.

        • Lawrence Keeney Marsh

          Communism killed more people in the 20th century alone, than Christianity did in the previous nineteen. I would say Communism and humanism, supported by pseudo-intellectual “evolution theory”, is the worst hoax perpetrated upon the human race.

    • BRIAN HUGH GRIFFITH BHG

      ….The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psalm 14:1
      That verse alone proves the Holy Bible is true

    • edwinrad

      One third the Bible is prophecy and every prophecy thus far has come to pass to a…T. Everything God has said would happen to Israel has come to pass and IS coming to pass.
      Daniel wrote the Book of Daniel and asked God what it meant what he wrote. God told Daniel it’s not for you to know. Shut up the Book until the last days(Daniel 12:4). Only recently has the Book of Daniel been able to be understood.
      Now give evidence for your statement.

    • edwinrad

      Christianity IS NOT a religion. Christianity is an eternal personal
      relationship with the living God, Jesus Christ, by calling upon His
      name(Acts 2;21, 16:31; Romans 10:9,10,13), ask, and receive Him into
      your heart(John 1:12) by FAITH ALONE.

      For by GRACE are ye saved
      through FAITH; and that NOT of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF
      WORKS, lest any man should boast(Ephesians 2:8,9).

      So, the Lord
      God Jesus Christ who WILLINGLY went to the cross(John 10:17,18) to pay
      my sin debt and that of the world is a hoax? Satan has you blinded(2Cor.
      4:4) and is having a LAUGH on you.

      • Jorg37

        Thanks for providing more of the nonsense I was referring to!

        • Daniel Hamilton

          It’s a shame to see a man throw his soul into everlasting torment. These people are concerned for you, yet you hate them for doing it. I remember hearing a man say that to a young woman who had just accepted Christ a few days prior. Later that night he died in a horrific motorcycle accident. He was laughing at her a few hours before his death. Here is a verse to consider… Mat_18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

          • Jorg37

            Sorry, sir, – I don’t hate anyone! However, I do feel somewhat sorry for close minded people all hung up on their religion, looking forward to a non-existing afterlife or being afraid of going to a non-existing hell. I have a pretty good life myself, for which I am very grateful, thank you.

          • Daniel Hamilton

            You feel sorry for people who are doing far better than you. You deny the existence of God, then accuse of of being close minded. You don’t believe in an afterlife, we do. Hell is a factual place. It was originally made to contain Satan and those demons who had followed him in rebellion. All unrepentant sinners fall into this place of torment after the life leaves their bodies. You deny Hell, but that won’t make it go away. You deny the very existence of things that I have found to be true. I am not one to be controlled by emotion. I need proof for what I will believe in.

            I do not believe in ghosts, because God does not lose track of you or anyone else when they die. Matthew 10:30 KJV But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
            It matters not whether you believe this or not. The Bible teaches that the soul goes to its spiritual father, whether it be God or Satan. Even though you deny God exists, and think you have made no choice in the matter, you have indeed chosen through your rejection. The biggest lie Satan ever told, was saying that God never existed.

            You believe that when you die, that is it. You’ll lay mouldering in the grave. That isn’t much to look forward to at all. The problem with that line of thought, is that it is no more the end, than watching the sun set and saying there will be no more tomorrows. The sun rises in the morning, every morning.

            I mentioned earlier, of how I saw a spirit in the middle of the day at a friend’s house. He and I were the only ones in his house. While I was talking to him, to my left, I saw a man enter the room. He was about my height, with dark hair, dark rimmed glasses, a plaid shirt and dark trousers. I turned my head toward him, and no one was there. My friend saw me jerk my head around toward the hall, and asked me what I had seen. I wanted to deny I had seen anything, but then he described what I had seen. His description was spot on. He had seen it several times. He thought it was a ghost. It wasn’t. Though this man was my friend, I knew how wicked he was. It was a spirit, but not from God. Yes, they can look like you or me.
            I saw a man possessed with a spirit when I was about 21. When it entered into the man, an unseen force lifted both me and a friend of mine, who was standing on my left, and set us down gently, about 3 feet away from this third man. My friend and I were quite understandably shaken by the experience. We were all standing outdoors, in front of a Christian restaurant, early in the evening. It reminded me of what it felt like when I was a kid, when my dad would put his hands under my arms and lift me up. The interesting thing about this third man, was that he thoroughly believed he was a Christian.

            Now here’s a good question for you. What picked both my friend and me up and moved us back away from this man? I was there. I experienced it. It was not my imagination, or the imagination of my friend. Nothing like this has happened to me before or after that night. Things like that are hard to deny.

            I got this third man to accept an invitation to a revival at the church I attended. He went, but during the sermon, the preacher pointed at him and told him to leave. He had been sitting in the pew, making faces and gestures at the preacher, including the middle finger.

            You may think, oh he was having mental problems. Please refer back to my friend and I being lifted up and set back at least 3 feet from him. That was supernatural beings lifting us away from this man. These beings were angels, who were protecting my friend and I.

            Unless you have seen things such as this with your own eyes, you most likely would deny it. It doesn’t matter if you believe this or not. It happened.

            I’ve seen a few other things, and I sincerely hope you never have the same experiences that I had.

            You won’t live forever. I can assure you that if you stay on the path you’ve chosen, you will experience far worse than those things I have seen.

      • ShepherdsLamb

        Good job, Edwin. But it may be time to shake the dust from your feet. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

        • edwinrad

          I thought about that many times for a long time ShephersLamb. The MAIN reason i don’t is I use their fodder for opportunity to post to the shadow readers who don’t post but read the posts.
          Are you new here? I’m not sure if I’ve seen you before. Peace.

    • ShepherdsLamb

      Well, silly us. To believe a Book that has been proven to be 100% accurate in history, science, astronomy, archeology, medicine, prophecy, and every way that it has ever been tested down through the ages.

      Oh, Gee. Well, we’ll just have to bow to your superior intelligence.

    • far2right

      Poor fellow. The bible is understandable. This chap has just demonstrated to all that he does not possess the mental ability to understand its doctrine.
      Just because you are stupid does not make the bible false.
      A typical worn out argument by atheists to others who are as stupid as they are.
      Until you can make an intelligent argument against what the bible actuallyt teaches then go crawl back under your bridge.

      • Jorg37

        Here’s an excellent video explaining Atheism:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNjEbPfc2d0

        Also, at the end, click on the 8 most important reasons why religion is
        harmful! Enjoy!
        Should be easy enough to grasp?! No?

  • Mys77

    This makes me sad, and I would question whether they are just pretending to follow Christ and His word, or just going through the motions and singing songs to make a buck. Either way, it makes their singing praise songs hollow, without a heart or commitment.

  • rainbomike

    At the moment of regeneration the Holy Spirit comes in and leads the newly adopted child of God into all truth. On the morning of April 5, 1987 I would have mocked anyone who told me that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. That evening I knew that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. All glory to God for what He does in bringing a wretched sinner into His family. Only through the new birth can anyone know that every word of the Bible is completely true. Obviously these singers have not experienced the new birth yet. May God open their eyes to His truth.

  • freemanfornow

    Without the truth of Genesis 1 & 2 – the whole “sin entering the world through one man, the first Adam” thing, there is no need for the “second Adam”, a savior.
    There used to be a common bumper sticker that read, “God said it, I believe it, that settles it”. The middle phrase is irrelevant. Whether I believe it or not, God said it, that settles it.

    • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

      Exactly right. If Genesis is wrong, then the whole Bible is wrong, and Jesus is a liar. Jesus referred to a literal 6-day creation, a literal Adam and a literal Flood. Every major doctrine of the Bible has its roots in Genesis. That is why secularists and pseudo-Christians are working so hard to discredit Genesis, because if they are able to discredit Genesis, it effectively discredits the whole Bible.

  • Sgt. York

    Wonder how he would feel and look with his guitar shoved where the sun don’t shine.both are anti Christians and will burn for it.

    • Daniel Hamilton

      These two are frauds and nothing more. If someone such as this denies the truth of Creation, then they prove themselves to be other than what they say. To deny Creation as truth, destroys the very foundation for the entire Bible. That which begins as a lie, becomes a lie all the way through.
      I hate to admit it, but Christians are a gullible lot. We want the best for others who we believe are in the faith. A cross around the neck doesn’t make one a Christian. Neither does going to church or writing so-called Christian songs. The best example of this deceit is found at Acts 16:16-18 KJV And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: (17) The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. (18) And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
      Even though she said, ‘These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation,’ she was possessed with a spirit of divination. The church, and even pulpits themselves, are filled with such today. Rick Warren, pastor of the Saddleback church, has been busy introducing Christlam into Liberal churches. Christlam is the merging of Liberal Christianity with Islam. I’ve run into people who fully believed that Jehovah and Allah were the very same God. Liberal churches accept those tarnished with sexual depravity into their folds as if it were normal and natural.
      So it does not surprise me that two such as these, deny Bible truths, yet are welcomed in among those who are Christian in name only.

  • Ralph Filicchia

    If the book of Genesis is not reliable, then this leaves these people in the awkward position of explaining to everyone exactly what bug or piece of slime they evolved from.

  • BRIAN HUGH GRIFFITH BHG

    God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

    That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Romans 3:4

  • BRIAN HUGH GRIFFITH BHG
  • philote

    “NO REASONABLE PERSON takes the entire bible completely literally”

    Those words are true enough, and an examination of scripture bears it out:

    - Read the Song of Solomon, chapter 2 verse 9 when the bride describes her beloved: “My beloved is like a gazelle or a young stag. Behold, he is standing behind our wall, He is looking through the windows, He is peering through the lattice”. Obviously she is not into beastiality and her beloved is a “dear” and not a “deer” – she is just using descriptive language and it is to be taken as the poetry it is, not literally.

    - In Matthew chapter 13, verse 47 Jesus says this about the Kingdom of Heaven: “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind” This does not mean heaven is a fishnet. Again this is descriptive language to help us understand the topic.

    However, the intent of what Grundor says – that since you can’t take all the Bible literally, then it isn’t inerrant, is completely false.

    - Where the Bible makes a direct statement – In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (Gen 1:1); God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good (Gen 1:25); etc. It is to be taken literally.

    - Where the Bible uses descriptive/poetic/comparative statements – “My beloved is like…(Song 2:9)”;”The kingdom of heaven is like…(Matt 13:47)”; “His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.(Dan 10:6), etc. It is to be taken descriptively/referentially.

    And yet, in all the cases, since God is the author of the Bible – “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 Pet 1:21)”; “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2Tim 3:16)” – then the Bible is inerrant because God is inerrant.

    • Guest

      There is a fine line between the “inspiration of God” and the literal “Word of God.” This is where the scientist Creationist/ evolutionist understands the nuances between symbolic or metaphorical and literal representations of Gods works, which you attest to in your own example. What may be symbolically perfect is not necessarily scientifically or historically perfect. To this day the only literal Words from God, with one exception, that we have on record are the “Ten Commandments.” Everything else is the interpretation of the inspired Words attributed to God from the minds of men. The exception of course is the certainty that the Gospel of Christ is inerrant in that it has not lost the literal translation of the Words of God over the centuries.

  • myfordtruck

    Well with belief’s like that we know where they will be

  • apow13

    So who actually went to read the original article that Gungor wrote? If you did, then you’d realize that his point wasn’t to get you to view scripture the way he saw it. His point was to live by your beliefs, which is evident how he closes it out with James 2. Even though I don’t completely agree with everything he believes in, he still believes in God as his creator, Jesus as his savior, and the Holy Spirit as his counselor. Because of that, he is my brother. So, please. Go and read his article with this in mind. http://gungormusic.com/2014/02/what-do-we-believe/

  • phil62

    Oh well – that ends their stint as Gospel singers because NO CHRISTIAN church will ever invite them in and no CHRISTIAN will buy their music. At least now everyone knows their true position on their “so-called” Christian stance..

  • Taking care of business!

    What do you expect from members of the CCM crowd? And FYI, I AM a scientist, a believer, schooled in the Word, and a Creationist. It’s tragic that so many who are young have been persuaded by a worldly view.

  • Guest

    As much as I believe in the efficacy of the Bible and that it is indeed inspired by God, and what with all of the revisions and changes over the centuries it hasn’t lost the essential truth of its fundamental teachings, to suggest, as the islamists do of the Koran, that scriptures have been literally “unchanged, unmodified, and unaffected by modern science and enlightenment is a narrow minded, bigoted and belligerent assault on common sense. If the scriptures are indeed the preexistent in Heaven, sacred divine text, inerrant and perfect, then why do we not venerate each individual copy of the Bible as muslims do the Koran. Why do you think the muslims are schizophrenic, homicidal maniacs? They take every word of the Koran literally!! The fact that God could have created the world in 24 hours let alone a week is incongruous with the reality of His promise of eternity and immortality to His faithful followers. With all of eternity to invest it Creation, doesn’t it ever occur to anybody that Creationism (the investment of divine fabrication in the development of man and civilization) and evolution occur simultaneously? Over a long period of time, for very substantial reasons. And that science and history have not caught up yet with the discoveries that put it all together. If you had all of eternity to assist in the development and spiritualization of life would you want to be rushed if quality and quantity were the goal. I believe too many Christian fundamentalists are too lazy to connect the dots with no imagination to fill in the gaps of the discoveries that will ultimately reveal the truth. If they were more inclined to take the Master’s words, “Follow Me and all things will be made new,” they might better understand that though the Bible is the best historic effort of man to understand and interpret the Will of God, it can only be relatively perfect. Only God The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are perfect If you suggest that the Bible is the refinement, or modification of God’s Will over time to achieve perfection, it’s still relative, and you are still falling prey to the same heresy of the islamists who claim God changes His mind and therefore their verses are “abrogated” to justify some change in authority by an earthly ruler. Which is why the Koran is nothing but a book of crude contradictions and hypocrisies. Another favorite saying of mine from the Master that decries the dependence upon written words for salvation is “By faith alone man may enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” So much for your eternal machinations over the etymology and nuances of the written word. There’s another saying in which the Master warns of the dependence upon the sophistries of the written texts that has to do with the “words of the Holy Spirit upon the Heart.” And that God will judge a man by his” intent and what’s in his heart.”

    The modern Truth can only be found in the 5th Epochal Revelations that have been bestowed upon our planet and are available for any seeker to find. Common sense should tell you that as science advances so should revelations of the more complex relationship of God and His Administration to His Creation. The revelations are available that explain the true nature of Creationism and evolution and the interwoven matrix of manipulation by Gods Divine Administrators and Scientist who have guided civilization through over 300 thousand years of existence, prior to the million years of experimentation, those fortunate Immortals took part in, of the creation of superior life forms, both spiritual and material.

  • southernmom169

    I’ve been listening to Christian music all of my 53 years on this earth…most genres, and have never heard of this group…says something about them, I guess.

  • Lawrence Keeney Marsh

    Name-calling does not get the discussion rolling constructively. All those who engage in personal attacks are the stupid ones. Science is one area of truth(physical), while the Bible is another area of truth(spiritual). How do you prove in a scientific laboratory that it is right or wrong to kill, steal, rape, etc.? Impossible!

  • far2right

    “NO REASONABLE PERSON takes the entire Bible completely literally”

    No reasonable person would blindly believe T.Rex, Hadrosaur and Triceratop soft tissue is 75 million years old (and other organic cells, proteins and DNA).

    But that is exactly what these musicians must swallow in order to maintain their secular historical worldview.

  • blackhawk132

    What came 1st ?The chicken or the egg ? If it was the chicken : Who made it ? If the egg : How ? Logic always trumps stupidity . Think about it >

  • Mrsbacktoyou

    Definition of “science” – The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. Science is a theory.
    What does God say about His Word? 2 Timothy 3:16 For the whole Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable to teach, to convince, to correct, and to instruct in righteousness, 17 That the man of God may be absolute, being made perfect unto all good works.

  • Math_Fellow

    Mike and Lisa must be fans of Fox’s Bill O’Reilly too when he said the Bible is allegorical and should not be believed.

  • Walt

    When a person is born again from above, they receive the Holy Spirit who is the Spirit of truth and leads them into all truth. This causes me to question if the Gungor’s became Christians by the will of man or the will of the flesh which makes them false converts. Because they believe not the very Word of God, that He wrote the BIBLE using men so that we can read it and become wise unto salvation. I used to be a false convert until the LORD (JESUS) showed me a wretch His mercy and grace!! Thank you JESUS!!

  • Manny

    How does one study the “inerrancy” of the bible? What a joke…

  • Jorg37
  • far2right

    Aww. So cute when musicians try to think for themselves instead of being told what to think.

  • Jorg37

    Here’s an excellent video explaining Atheism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNjEbPfc2d0

    Also, at the end, click on the 8 most important reasons why religion is
    harmful!

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